In this episode, Jeroen Driessen (CEO of Driessen Groep) and Frank van de Ven (i-team Global) talk about a common frustration: organizations expect people to take ownership, but often set them up in a way that makes that almost impossible.

They explain why this happens and what needs to change. Not in theory, but in how organizations are set up and how people work together, how decisions are made, and how leaders show up. Ownership, they argue, only works when people know what is expected of them, have the space to act, and are supported instead of controlled.